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	<description>New Words, New Worlds</description>
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		<title>By: Walden2</title>
		<link>http://www.starshipnivan.com/blog/?p=7061&#038;cpage=1#comment-63545</link>
		<dc:creator>Walden2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Further evidence that it is going to take a while and a concerted effort to change this attitude.

Oh, and for good measure:

http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/12/18/our-gun-culture/

I remember seeing that last Mattel ad in my comic books as a kid.

For some good news on this front, the head coach of the Syracuse University basketball team used the press conference on his 900th game win as their leader to speak out against the American gun culture:

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/syracuse-jim-boeheim-turned-his-night-over-to-a-cause-900th-win-121812

Oh my, Fox Sports News calls him courageous!  I can just imagine the flack he has gotten in some quarters, though.  Hope they let him keep his man card.  :^S]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further evidence that it is going to take a while and a concerted effort to change this attitude.</p>
<p>Oh, and for good measure:</p>
<p><a href="http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/12/18/our-gun-culture/" rel="nofollow">http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/12/18/our-gun-culture/</a></p>
<p>I remember seeing that last Mattel ad in my comic books as a kid.</p>
<p>For some good news on this front, the head coach of the Syracuse University basketball team used the press conference on his 900th game win as their leader to speak out against the American gun culture:</p>
<p><a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/syracuse-jim-boeheim-turned-his-night-over-to-a-cause-900th-win-121812" rel="nofollow">http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/syracuse-jim-boeheim-turned-his-night-over-to-a-cause-900th-win-121812</a></p>
<p>Oh my, Fox Sports News calls him courageous!  I can just imagine the flack he has gotten in some quarters, though.  Hope they let him keep his man card.  :^S</p>
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		<title>By: Athena</title>
		<link>http://www.starshipnivan.com/blog/?p=7061&#038;cpage=1#comment-63544</link>
		<dc:creator>Athena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 20:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The strongest caveman may have led the tribe, but who are the masters of today&#039;s universe? A bunch of skinny, pasty kids who spend their days staring at computer screens. // We have to find reassurance where we can, so even if we can&#039;t prove our masculinity on the job and our kids won&#039;t listen to us, there is a way to feel that testosterone surge through our bodies.&quot;

Waldman seems to have a low intrinsic opinion about men&#039;s ability to exert self-control.  Men don&#039;t do this because they must; they do it because they can and feel entitled to it.  Which explains why in fact most of these massacres are committed by skinny, pasty kids who stare at computer screens.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The strongest caveman may have led the tribe, but who are the masters of today&#8217;s universe? A bunch of skinny, pasty kids who spend their days staring at computer screens. // We have to find reassurance where we can, so even if we can&#8217;t prove our masculinity on the job and our kids won&#8217;t listen to us, there is a way to feel that testosterone surge through our bodies.&#8221;</p>
<p>Waldman seems to have a low intrinsic opinion about men&#8217;s ability to exert self-control.  Men don&#8217;t do this because they must; they do it because they can and feel entitled to it.  Which explains why in fact most of these massacres are committed by skinny, pasty kids who stare at computer screens.</p>
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		<title>By: Walden2</title>
		<link>http://www.starshipnivan.com/blog/?p=7061&#038;cpage=1#comment-63543</link>
		<dc:creator>Walden2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe - just maybe - people are finally going to wake up about what makes one a &quot;man&quot;:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/20/opinion/waldman-guns-manhood/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

Of course there will always be holdouts, but perhaps the rest of us can move on now into the 21st Century.  Just too bad that it always seems to be an extreme (read violent, deadly) event to wake humans up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe &#8211; just maybe &#8211; people are finally going to wake up about what makes one a &#8220;man&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/20/opinion/waldman-guns-manhood/index.html?hpt=hp_c2" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/20/opinion/waldman-guns-manhood/index.html?hpt=hp_c2</a></p>
<p>Of course there will always be holdouts, but perhaps the rest of us can move on now into the 21st Century.  Just too bad that it always seems to be an extreme (read violent, deadly) event to wake humans up.</p>
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		<title>By: Athena</title>
		<link>http://www.starshipnivan.com/blog/?p=7061&#038;cpage=1#comment-63337</link>
		<dc:creator>Athena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 21:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re right, Anne.  One of the most troubling aspects of this is the narrow, rigid codification of &quot;normal.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, Anne.  One of the most troubling aspects of this is the narrow, rigid codification of &#8220;normal.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: AnneC</title>
		<link>http://www.starshipnivan.com/blog/?p=7061&#038;cpage=1#comment-63336</link>
		<dc:creator>AnneC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 21:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reading this a bit late, but as the relentless pinkification of girlhood is a topic I&#039;ve long found both perplexing and disheartening, it&#039;s good to see that folks who realize it&#039;s not a &quot;harmless&quot; thing are still pointing this out.

I can&#039;t recall exactly when I started consciously noticing the way girls tended to be relegated to the pastel ghetto, but it was definitely sometime in early grade school. The thing that puzzled/annoyed me the most was the way expressing any sort of preference for the non-&quot;pinkified&quot; version of something (toy, clothing, etc.) was interpreted as &quot;troublemaking&quot;. I don&#039;t think a lot of adults-in-charge-of-children even realize the degree to which they tend to police kids&#039; gender performances. 

In my case there was definitely no *intentional* performance of anything going on...I liked what I liked, and disliked what I disliked, and it just so happened that for whatever reason I was drawn to dark/solid/primary colors (not pink frills!) and spaceship toys/remote-control cars/Lego (not baby dolls!). And yet from an early age, people took my preferences as being some sort of &quot;statement&quot; or deliberate attempt to be &quot;contrary&quot;. I was far from socially aware enough to know what &quot;making a statement&quot; even meant at those age(s) but the whole experience was definitely one of those that managed to open my eyes to the fact that grownups weren&#039;t always mad at you for reasons that actually made sense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading this a bit late, but as the relentless pinkification of girlhood is a topic I&#8217;ve long found both perplexing and disheartening, it&#8217;s good to see that folks who realize it&#8217;s not a &#8220;harmless&#8221; thing are still pointing this out.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t recall exactly when I started consciously noticing the way girls tended to be relegated to the pastel ghetto, but it was definitely sometime in early grade school. The thing that puzzled/annoyed me the most was the way expressing any sort of preference for the non-&#8221;pinkified&#8221; version of something (toy, clothing, etc.) was interpreted as &#8220;troublemaking&#8221;. I don&#8217;t think a lot of adults-in-charge-of-children even realize the degree to which they tend to police kids&#8217; gender performances. </p>
<p>In my case there was definitely no *intentional* performance of anything going on&#8230;I liked what I liked, and disliked what I disliked, and it just so happened that for whatever reason I was drawn to dark/solid/primary colors (not pink frills!) and spaceship toys/remote-control cars/Lego (not baby dolls!). And yet from an early age, people took my preferences as being some sort of &#8220;statement&#8221; or deliberate attempt to be &#8220;contrary&#8221;. I was far from socially aware enough to know what &#8220;making a statement&#8221; even meant at those age(s) but the whole experience was definitely one of those that managed to open my eyes to the fact that grownups weren&#8217;t always mad at you for reasons that actually made sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Athena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Athena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 04:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That sounds like a poster case of unconscious bias.  You can do something as her uncle: give her toys that encourage wider horizons.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That sounds like a poster case of unconscious bias.  You can do something as her uncle: give her toys that encourage wider horizons.</p>
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		<title>By: Athena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Athena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 04:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know why either, Susan.  And it&#039;s cross-cultural.  It doesn&#039;t matter what it is (and it&#039;s all over the map, depending on culture) but girl cooties automatically make a discipline low status.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know why either, Susan.  And it&#8217;s cross-cultural.  It doesn&#8217;t matter what it is (and it&#8217;s all over the map, depending on culture) but girl cooties automatically make a discipline low status.</p>
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		<title>By: jose</title>
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		<dc:creator>jose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 04:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well intentioned parents are unnerving. I&#039;ve been an uncle for several years now and I&#039;ve seen essentialism and its biases in action. Probably one of the first coordinated movements my niece performed was to grab a baby&#039;s bottle toy and hit a baby doll with it. &#039;Look!&#039; her mother would say. &#039;She wants to feed the baby! Isn&#039;t maternal instinct wonderful?&#039; Sure, this is undoubtedly proof that female humans simply have it in their genes to use bottles to feed babies. ahjkasdjkahsg &gt;_&lt;

The idea that the girl is simply imitating her mother and that they are effectively training her to be like that never seems to settle into their skulls. I wish I knew an effective way to erode this lifelong belief that this is just the way life and people are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well intentioned parents are unnerving. I&#8217;ve been an uncle for several years now and I&#8217;ve seen essentialism and its biases in action. Probably one of the first coordinated movements my niece performed was to grab a baby&#8217;s bottle toy and hit a baby doll with it. &#8216;Look!&#8217; her mother would say. &#8216;She wants to feed the baby! Isn&#8217;t maternal instinct wonderful?&#8217; Sure, this is undoubtedly proof that female humans simply have it in their genes to use bottles to feed babies. ahjkasdjkahsg &gt;_&lt;</p>
<p>The idea that the girl is simply imitating her mother and that they are effectively training her to be like that never seems to settle into their skulls. I wish I knew an effective way to erode this lifelong belief that this is just the way life and people are.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://www.starshipnivan.com/blog/?p=7061&#038;cpage=1#comment-63009</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 19:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;the sad fact is that when enough women enter a discipline, it gets automatically re-classified as “female” and its perceived value and social/financial rewards plummet.&quot;

That is very true. I don&#039;t know whether it&#039;s because it is expected that women will parent and therefore spend less time perfecting their career, or whether hatred of women has forced them into parenthood and away from their career, thereby creating the expectation. But it certainly happens.

I work in a STEM field and am happy there. Surprised there aren&#039;t more female developers about.

The article makes a good point that most sexism is unconscious. But that does not make it any less hurtful if discovered, I imagine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the sad fact is that when enough women enter a discipline, it gets automatically re-classified as “female” and its perceived value and social/financial rewards plummet.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is very true. I don&#8217;t know whether it&#8217;s because it is expected that women will parent and therefore spend less time perfecting their career, or whether hatred of women has forced them into parenthood and away from their career, thereby creating the expectation. But it certainly happens.</p>
<p>I work in a STEM field and am happy there. Surprised there aren&#8217;t more female developers about.</p>
<p>The article makes a good point that most sexism is unconscious. But that does not make it any less hurtful if discovered, I imagine.</p>
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		<title>By: Athena</title>
		<link>http://www.starshipnivan.com/blog/?p=7061&#038;cpage=1#comment-63005</link>
		<dc:creator>Athena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 03:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree, it would be interesting.  Although it&#039;s almost impossible to have totally context-neutral surroundings to do such an experiment properly!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, it would be interesting.  Although it&#8217;s almost impossible to have totally context-neutral surroundings to do such an experiment properly!</p>
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